avannak: previous replies
the more personal matter:
Oh phew, I’m glad you’re okay. I almost messaged you because I couldn’t tell how upset you were. Last night really caught me off guard, with the unexpected ranting and defensiveness that cropped when talking about Hiccup and Astrid’s relationship prognosis. I think it was a number of things you said that gave us this sense that you were shaming our preferred practices (which had nothing to do with Astrid/Hiccup) as some sort of retribution for offending you (unintentional/misunderstood though it was). I’m just glad everything’s okay (I think?).
Anyway, I, too, hardly ever ship things myself. In fact—I’m never about the ship. I’m always about the individual. So when I ship Astrid with someone else—I’m thinking of only her. How her character would work with this character, how happy she’d be. Same with Hiccup. Same with… Meatlug, if I ever encountered a character I suddenly felt little explosions in my chest
I guess in the end it’s the “liking” each other that just isn’t enough for me to be so resolute about keeping them together. It’s just liking. They really don’t owe either of each other anything. In those first few months after she gets to know Hiccup… it can go either or. In the first year, in fact. She’s testing the waters. This boy.
And no, no, no, no, it’s not necessaryfor Hiccup and Astrid to be in other relationships.Rest your mind about that; no one is saying that. If it happened—and it could (though it won’t, I know)—I think they would be great for it. But if it doesn’t happen, They’re fine. Astrid’s relationship with Hiccup won’t suffer. She might miss out on some great experiences, but what you don’t know won’t hurt you. God knows what I’ve missed out on, and I’m none the wiser for it and no less content.
I’ve never wanted to imply ever that Astrid falls for people east at all. Which, I’m glad you understood as much. What I got from Astrid? Is that when she’s interested she goes for it. Look at her options on Berk. There was nothing she was interested until Hiccup showed his true colors. Until she saw a side of Hiccup that attracted her. And she easily and openly explored the interest her sparked in her. Nothing more, nothing less, as we’ve seen. (I’m sure you’ve seen my rants before on how Astrid is emotional and open with her emotions).
- Astrid would never dismiss her feelings for Hiccup.
- And I think, if she were honestly unclear on what she and Hiccup were, she would confront him about it before allowing someone else to court her
- That is who Astrid is.
So if there’s a character that I think Astrid would have a happy, healthy, great relationship with, I can easily, easily make a plausible relationship occur between them without needing any OOCness or suspension of disbelief.
That doesn’t mean she can’t have “sun and the stars” with Hiccup. Well, she and Hiccup definitely aren’t 'sun and the stars' for me. They’re strong and compatible. They have their own brand of romance, as every couple does.
But this really concerns me
But stating that your approach is the only one that sounds feasible, and that any other is an ENTIRELY implausible foundation for a relationship, or that it makes them OOC, or entirely ruling it out as a bad match or that it’s a ghastly CLICHÉ or something similar is taking things under your perspective and cutting off all others without a chance. You don’t want Hiccup to have it easy. He lost a leg but gained TOO many things so the relationship SEEMS rushed and it seems like Astrid’s just there for fulfilling her role as his beloved… I don’t feel this way.
No and no. I did not state my approach is the only one that sounds feasible. Please show me where that happened. Nor did I imply that the other is entirely implausible foundation for… bla bla bla bla bla and basically your entire paragraph. Sorry. I love you, but I gotta call bullshit on that because I never said it and I’m 80% sure I didn’t even imply it??
I don’t think Hiccup has it easy at all. You think I think losing a leg wasn’t enough? Where are you getting this? No, that’s not why the relationship seems rushed… what? You’ve completely lost me and kind of offended me. This is… what? Gross. No.
Okay, since I guess you don’t know my stance at all on this: Astrid was basically created as Hiccup’s love interest. It’s implied in an interview. It was stated in another that she was created for the movie. Those two combined confirmed what I received from the film: she was the girl to be got. Astrid kissed him because one of Hiccup’s goals was ‘getting a date—that date’. She could have been great as just his foil. As his ally; and the romance between them could have felt so much more natural like every other if they didn’t… muck it up. God damn DW.
They have the character set up to be great. The compatibility to make a great couple. And they do! Older. Astrid’s character worked well around Hiccup’s in every respect except for the romance. Not in HTTYD1. That was not natural. Not for her. It could have waited. Just… a little more subtly An engaged look, a touch of the arm… swallowing her pride… they did it for everyone else, so why not her? There’s no arguing that Astrid wasn’t shown the same consideration as every other character in that film—that is the thing I am resolute on.
So yeah, it wasn’t necessary. Not then. I loved Astrid coming around to Hiccup. I loved their relationship in the movie—how he opened her eyes, and earned her respect and trust and loyalty. It was fantastic. But when Astrid kissed Hiccup’s cheek, that was the first time I sat back in my movie-theater seat and said “Wait, what?”. Everything had felt so natural, and human, and real. Every character was consistent and engaging and then… that glaze of ‘romance’ that just didn’t have to happen kind of pulled me out of the magic. It made me realize I was watching a film, an animated film, and that kind of annoyed me. It didn’t feel natural, and many, many others could see that, and Astrid suffered more than anyone else for it.
That is basically my biggest beef with them. They could have had it all, but they didn’t.
But that’s beside the point; in the end—that doesn’t factor into the plausibility of Astrid and Hiccup seeing other people, and it still being completely IC. Even if they had handled Astrid with a little more respect, the idea of her falling for someone other than Hiccup wouldn’t have earned her any scorn. From a sane person, anyway. I should hope.
Basically, Hiccup and Astrid are fine as is. Hiccup and Astrid don’t see other people in that five year gap. And their relationship in HTTYD2 is close, mature, and compatible. We already have that in canon. I know this—we all know this—and I like this. After everything I’ve written, drabbles and rants, how can this even be in question?
But having them break up, experience another relationship, learn more about themselves… it could be great for them. Filling that time skip with very-likely scenarios such as that could had some great elements to their characters and relationships that would both coincide with what is in canon, and add some background material. And there’s nothing wrong with gushing about the possibilities all that could entail.
This was never about shaming their steadfast, child-to-adult relationship; it was about adoring all the other possible scenarios.